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Does nero have a facility for cloning a pc os hdd to ssd ?

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  • Hi Joseph-

    Used to be that one could backup a hard drive with Nero Backitup. That capability was lost in Nero Backitup 2014.

    You can create a ISO in Burning Rom.

    My recommendation would be to use something like Macrium Reflect (there's a free version) to create an image or clone it.
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  • Thanks for your assistance. I did as you suggested and downloaded the free version of Macrium Reflect. I cloned my C hdd onto the smaller but more than adequate SSD, and it appeared to work perfectly.
    However, as with other cloning methods I have tried, the SSD worked fine as the OS, starting and working ok for a few minutes before it begain to malfunction and then freeze solid so that the only way to stop it is to switch it off at the main switch on the base unit. At one point I saw a note "waiting for cache", but don't really understand why. The OS works perfectly on the normal HDD.
    Anyway, many thanks for your help and best regards.
    Joe Walker
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  • I had just read an article in Maximum PC minimum BS on this subject but I don't know if I still have it. I'll check tomorrow. Otherwise, I can get it from their website. I'm wondering if there's something in the BIOS that has to be changed.
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  • Now that I'm home, I just checked and I discarded that magazine. I'll have to check their website. Problem is that the article is in their December issue and I don't think it's available yet at the website. I'll keep checking.
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  • Joseph Walker less than a minute ago
    Thanks for your efforts. I really appreciate the time you have taken to look for this stuff. I'll just have to keep digging - its not vital as my pc isn't that slow and I can manage with it. Thanks again.
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  • http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/308...

    Let me know if either option helps. Since Win 8 is just Win 7 with a different interface, what works for Win 7 should work for Win 8.
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  • Hi again,
    many thanks for the last two offerings. They both look very promising, especially the second one which actually talks about altering the BIOS to allow cloning.
    Also that doing the operation on a pc that has been upgraded for Win 7 to Win 8 has to be done differently.
    Many thanks I'll try the different methods tomorrow and let you know how I get on.
    Thanks again
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  • I didn't review either link in any detail. If memory serves me correctly, you might want to initially set the BIOS to IDE rather than ACHI.

    I'll just get myself in trouble if I continue on so let me know how it went, as you indicated you would.
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  • Of course I will. The two topics have already given me some useful information.
    My pc was originally on Win 7 and was upgraded to Win 8, and this apparently requires a different method of installation than a pc which was designed for Win 8.
    I also sent an email to Crucial ( the manufacturers of the SSD) telling them of my progress to date and asking if they can cast any light on the matter. I can't imagine that I am the only person who has had this difficulty.
    Best regards.
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  • Further to my last entry. I have received a couple of responses to my email to Crucial which look as if they confirm your assertions. They also gave me leads to Microsoft sources to get detailed instructions on how to edit the registry, alter the bios to use ACHI, and other bits. It all takes so long, so I'm going to take it slowly over the next few days. I will definitely let you have a full report when I conclude. Thanks again, bye for now. Regards Joe
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  • Hello again friend,
    Well, I have spent a lot of time, hours of it, trying out all the various methods of getting my system to accept the SSD, all without success. During the process I received a lot of information from the support section at Crucial as well as some very useful information off the web.
    During my learning experience I found that of the two items I was told to change in the registry, One did not exist in my system "Msahci", I was able to change the other. I later received information that if Msahci was not present I should look for another item called "storahci"., this I eventually managed to find and set up.
    This enabled me to change my BIOS over to AHCI and was able to boot into the system and run with this effective.
    However, I then re-cloned the SSD and installed it as the OS and it worked okay for about 5 minutes before freezing again.
    One of the suggestions was that I should download a windows driver to replace the standard AHCI driver but I could not find any suggestion of where I could find it.
    I have come to the conclusion that my system, which was originally supplied with the Vista operating system is just to antiquated to work. I have changed the mother board twice and changed almost every part in the base unit but it seems to be still living in the past.
    Anyway, I have decided to call it a day and give up trying for the present. So I would like to thank you very much for all your help during the exercise.
    Very best regards and best wishes
    Joe Walker
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  • I was thinking about you this afternoon and was going to ask you how things went. It's too bad I coudn't find the article that I read. Maximum PC is always a month or two behind on their website. I think it's to encourge people to subscribe rather than getting published information for free.

    Do you have the latest BIOS? This system is almost 7 years old and is running Vista (my favorite operating system). ACHI is available for Vista and later. When I read what you post, certain things ring a bell but, my memory and my knowledge are too short to make a meaningful comment. If I screw someones system up, they're not going to be a happy camper and there's nothing I can do to fix it.

    Perhaps this from Wikipedia will explain some things and actually help-

    "ome operating systems, notably Windows Vista, Windows 7 and Windows 8, do not configure themselves to load the AHCI driver upon boot if the SATA-drive controller was not in AHCI mode at the time of installation. This can cause failure to boot, with an error message, if the SATA controller is later switched to AHCI mode. For this reason, Intel recommends changing the drive controller to AHCI or RAID before installing an operating system.[1] (It may also be necessary to load chipset-specific AHCI or RAID drivers at installation time, for example from a USB flash drive.)

    On Windows Vista and Windows 7, this can be fixed by configuring the msahci device driver to start at boot time (rather than on-demand). Setting non-AHCI mode in the BIOS will allow the user to boot Windows, where the required registry change can be performed. The BIOS can then be changed to AHCI.[3]

    On Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012, the name of the controller has changed from msahci to storahci,[4] and the procedure to upgrade to the new controller to it is similar to that of Windows 7.[5] On Windows 8 and Windows Server 2012, changing the SATA mode to AHCI without updating the registry will make the boot drive inaccessible.

    A similar problem can occur on Linux systems if the AHCI driver is built as a module, rather than included in the kernel, as it may not be loaded into the initrd (initial RAM disk) created when in legacy mode; the solution is to build a new initrd containing the AHCI module.[6]"

    I also don't know if this link will help-

    http://www.driverscape.com/download/s...

    I know this stuff isn't Nero related but I can't tell you how many computer problems I've fixed over the last 6+ years in trying to solve Nero problems. I've learned a whole lot for a layman, in regards to computers, doing this. Too bad I can't remember a tenth of what I learn.

    I participate occasionally in a Vista forum and completely forgot there is a Win 8 forum-

    http://www.eightforums.com/

    where you could address your problem. These are manned by volunteers but many are exceptionally knowledgeable.
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  • Hello again,
    thanks for your long missive and all the information contained therein.
    I spent most of yesterday continuing my attempts to get the SSD installed and running correctly. I did manage to succeed with some of the items you mentioned; I was able to download a new driver for my motherboard from the manufacturer, but chickened out on actually updating the BIOS, the instructions on how to do it in the manual were unintelligible to me, and I didn't want to mess the whole thing up. The items that the change listed as being changed by the update seemed to have nothing to do with AHCI or the like. The driver I installed did. On the Driverscape downloads, none of the drivers listed were suitable for my equipment.
    I also revisited the registry and ensured that all the items I had changed were still right. I tried the installation several times, using settings for AHCI, Raid and IDE, but although it ran for slightly longer on the IDE after all the changes the SSD locked up after about 5 minutes.
    Anyway, there does seem to be one benefit from the exercise, after the revised settings and the new motherboard driver, the computer is actually running faster than it did before on the original HDD. I am pleased about that.
    Anyway, at one point as I tried a setting I received a pop-up saying that the computer was not advanced enough for this procedure???
    I have decided to let sleeping dogs lie, and continue with my now slightly speedier desktop. My next exercise is going to be to fit the SSD into a SATA caddy to fit into the optical drive on my Dell Inspiron N5110 laptop which is running Windows 7. This already has the right AHCI setup and it should be a piece of cake.
    Again thanks for all your help and encouragement, I really appreciate it.
    I think you can now close this problem. Mark it as a partial success.
    Best Regards
    Joe Walker
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  • I wouldn't be chicken about the BIOS. There are reasons why they're updated. I think most procedures have you copy the update to a CD and install it from there. I don't think I ever did that. I just ran the .exe. Of course, it's your choice.

    Did you ever consider just installing the OS directly to the SSD? The major disadvantage is that one has to reinstall all the latest drivers etc. and all ones software along with the personal files (which could be accessed from the hard drive from the SSD).

    If I ever run across the article I'm thinking of, I'll let you know.
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  • Hi, I am delighted to report that I have finally had success with the Ssd. I managed to download a set of sata drivers for Windows 8.1 from Lenovo. It triggered something and I found a AMD SATA Driver which worked. I am very pleased. Thanks for all your help. Best wishes Joe Walker
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  • That's great.

    I'm glad you figured that out. Something else to put in my hip pocket. :)

    I enjoyed going through this with you.
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