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Nero Video creates DVD image files which are too big for a DVD

Nero Platinum 2017. Using Nero Video created a DVD from AVI using default and "automatic" settings. Wrote to image file. Resulting image was TOO BIG FOR DVD being OVER 5GB.

Tried again, using "Standard" quality. Resulting image file was STILL TOO BIG FOR DVD at about 4.7GB

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  • What "Fit to Disk" option?

    The scale showed that there was plenty of room for the image, yet when burned at "Standard" the image file is 4,783,297 KB according to Windows.
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  • I see that what you called "Fit to Disk" is the "Automatic" selection in the options dialog.

    That's the setting that produced a 5+ GB file for a standard DVD, even though the required space shown on the scale was less than 4GB.
    • Bert,

      There's been a little overlap. What do you mean by "Standard DVD"? If you mean "Standard Play" was selected as the Quality setting in the above dialog, then "fit-to-disc" wouldn't apply. However, if you had "fit-to-disc" and the Burn Options page indicated that the space used would be less than 4 GB and it used over 5 GB, then the estimate was wrong (as sometimes happens) and you could try my suggestion above (assuming that you have Nero Recode).
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  • I’m just about fed up.
    When I say "Standard DVD" I mean a Verbatim DVD-R, 4.7GB disc, like I've been using for years.

    The menus on my copy of Nero Platinum 2017 don't look exactly like yours. However, the default "quality" setting of "Automatic (fit to disc)" produced the 5+ GB image file (I'm writing an image file, not a DVD file structure). The other options are "High Quality", "Standard Play", "Standard Play Plus", and on down in decreasing quality copies. Even "Standard Play" produced an image file too large for a standard DVD.

    Since I have time to kill, I performed the same operation but wrote to a DVD file structure instead of an image file, and ended up with the same 5GB+ result, even though the "Details" window said "Total space used: 4.37 out of 4.38 GB (Quality: Very Good).

    Since I've already wasted most of my afternoon, I suppose I'll kill some more and fire up Recode and see what kind of mess it will make of this.

    What a time suck.
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  • Interesting solution... I changed the audio format selection from "Automatic" to AC3 2.0 and the output file got a LOT smaller.

    Original AVI is 1:39, and 1.7GB in size, but the audio track is MP3. I don't know what format is "DVD LPCM Audio" according to VLC. Perhaps that takes up a lot of space on a DVD.
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    • Bert,

      I just saved a 52 minute, ~60 MB MP3 as a WAV (PCM) and it took ~530 MB - about 9 times as much space.
    • General
      Complete name : The Troll Hunter (2010).avi
      Format : AVI
      Format/Info : Audio Video Interleave
      Format profile : OpenDML
      File size : 1.68 GiB
      Duration : 1 h 38 min
      Overall bit rate : 2 429 kb/s
      Writing application : Lavf52.94.0

      Video
      ID : 0
      Format : AVC
      Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
      Format profile : Main@L3.1
      Format settings : CABAC / 2 Ref Frames
      Format settings, CABAC : Yes
      Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
      Codec ID : H264
      Duration : 1 h 38 min
      Bit rate : 2 185 kb/s
      Width : 852 pixels
      Height : 480 pixels
      Display aspect ratio : 16:9
      Frame rate mode : Variable
      Frame rate : 29.970 (30000/1001) FPS
      Color space : YUV
      Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
      Bit depth : 8 bits
      Scan type : Progressive
      Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.178
      Stream size : 1.49 GiB (89%)
      Writing library : x264 core 112 r1834 a51816a
      Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=1 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0 / me=dia / subme=2 / psy=1 / psy_rd=0.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=0 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=0 / threads=2 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=3 / weightb=0 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=25 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=abr / mbtree=1 / bitrate=2185 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=51 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.41 / aq=1:1.00

      Audio
      ID : 1
      Format : MPEG Audio
      Format version : Version 1
      Format profile : Layer 3
      Format settings : Joint stereo
      Codec ID : 55
      Codec ID/Hint : MP3
      Duration : 1 h 38 min
      Bit rate mode : Constant
      Bit rate : 256 kb/s
      Channel(s) : 2 channels
      Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
      Compression mode : Lossy
      Stream size : 181 MiB (11%)
      Alignment : Aligned on interleaves
      Interleave, duration : 24 ms (0.72 video frame)
      Writing library : LAME3.98.4
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  • I’ll get back to you on this tomorrow with as much detail and history as I can muster.
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  • Bert,

    I've hobbled together a 1h39m AVI video and encoded it to DVD twice, once with AC3 audio, once with LPCM. I uploaded the video to the WeTransfer site. Here's a link: My test AVI video [1.7 GB, 1h39m]. If you want to experiment with it, they keep it there for a week.

    My "AC3" folder turned out slightly larger than the "LPCM" folder, but not appreciably. For the LPCM version, Nero reduced the quality of the video to make room:

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  • I’m relieved.
    One last oddity about the LPCM audio before I go.

    I found that neither my LG BlueRay player and my ancient Sony DVD player can play the audio on DVDs that are made with LPCM audio!

    So, changing the audio selection to AC3 solved both problems.

    Now, I did all of my tests without checking to see if there were any updates to Nero Video; I found that there was, and I might have been running a very old version of Nero Video when I did all these tests.

    However, since my hardware players (apparently) can't handle LPCM audio, I'll be using AC3 as the default (if I ever need to make a hardware DVD again), so I think I'll consider this entire episode as closed and resolved to my satisfaction.

    Thanks for your help and pointers to what was going on. I'd probably still be tearing my hair out otherwise.
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