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Reverse or Rewind Play of Video Clip / Landscape or Portrait Orientation of Video

1. Clips cannot play in reverse. It would be great to flip a clip to provide a rewind or replay effect. Sound track should flip as well.
2. NERO does not do portrait orientation. Monitors can be rotated from landscape to portrait. I rotated a video that was shot purposely in portrait view but displayed as landscape. NERO was able to rotate the video but, the video itself remained landscape (blank areas filled in either side for landscape). Thinking it would work as expected when I did the export, I went to full screen on a monitor orientated for portrait, the video showed a landscape view with the blank sides while the video played in the middle as portrait.

Just like how a video shot in landscape view will fill up the entire screen on a monitor in landscape orientation, a video switched to portrait should fill up the entire screen of a monitor turned to portrait orientation. This means that the orientation of the playback screen may have to switch to show how the video will look based on the orientation or the selected output of landscape or orientation.
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  • For 1)- I don't know if it's in this forum or the old forum but Omega Tester found a way to do this but it's quite laborious. Perhaps he'll see this link and provide a link to the appropriate thread.

    Nero adds the black sides and/or bottoms to maintain the aspect ratio.

    You might ask tech support your question. If you do, let us know their response. Submit the contact form at nero.com, support, contact, technical support.
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    • It is funny that you should say that because I opened a trouble ticket with NERO back in February to complain about the two features in this post. The NERO team suggested I use this forum and now you are saying this forum is rarely used by NERO. So is this forum nothing more than a place for customers to share ideas or vent with no real possibility of being heard? Here is the transcript of the original trouble ticket I sent to NERO:

      Nero Support Team
      End User [2016-02-06 08:24:21.717]
      You are missing the feature to reverse play video. A user should be able to add a video to the timeline then flip the ends so the end plays first. Another feature that is missing is time control on a clip. You have preset fast and slow motion effects. Maybe I want to have a 1 minute clip play for 1 minute and 15 seconds.

      Out of these two features, being able to reverse play a clip is more important.

      Customer Support [2016-02-19 12:18:03.130]
      Dear Customer,
      We will forward this query further for solution.

      Sincerely,
      Jan

      ————————————————————————————————

      The following was added to the trouble ticket when I tried to create a video in portrait view:

      End User [2016-02-22 23:40:37.880]
      NERO also does not appear to do portrait view. Monitors can be rotated from landscape to portrait. I rotated a video that was shot purposely in portrait view but displayed as landscape. NERO was able to rotate the video but, the video itself remained landscape (blank areas filled in either side for landscape). Thinking it would work as expected when I did the export, I went to full screen on a monitor orientated for portrait, the video showed a landscape view with the blank sides while the video played in the middles as portrait.

      Just like how a video shot in landscape view will fill up the entire screen on a monitor in landscape orientation, a video switched to portrait should fill up the entire screen of a monitor turned to portrait orientation. This means that the orientation of the playback screen may have to switch to show how the video will look based on the orientation or the selected output of landscape or orientation.

      I am still looking into this because I may want to crop a portion of a landscape video into a portrait orientation and save it as portrait video to play in portrait on a monitor that is oriented to portrait. I may want to do this in reverse.

      Customer Support [2016-03-07 17:46:18.597]

      Thank you for contacting the Nero Support Team.
      We appreciate for informing us about it.
      We have passed the information to the Developing Team for future versions.
      New ideas and features can also be discussed on the forum, please visit:
      http://forum.nero.com/nero_eng
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      Thank you for your attention,

      Kind Regards,
      Nero Support Team.
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  • Well, Nero has said they're aware of your idea and have passed it to the developers for consideration in future versions. In the mean time, and between times, you can discuss it here. So, if a Nero employee spots it here, they're already aware of it and there's not much else they can say. I don't know what they expect you to gain by discussing it here. In some cases, there are already solutions for problems or ideas presented in the forum which us volunteers can provide.
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    • Disregard my comment about "orientation". I lost sight of what you originally posted. I guess the tech support response addressed both issues?
    • Yes, NERO tech acknowledged both issues of not being able to reverse a video clip and not being to edit as well as export a video in portrait orientation. So far there are four people in this conversation yet only one person liking the idea (me). I would think that if this is a feature people want I would have at least 4 likes from the other participants in this thread. Maybe they can ask others to like as well. I already asked the person that helped me decide to get NERO to like this thread yet it is still at 1.

      I want to stick with NERO because, as I said earlier, I like the work flow. It is a very capable program. However, I will jump ship if need to if another company can provide what I am looking for in one package.
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  • As I understood it, the orientation problem had to do with changing the orientation of the monitor. Nero has always added the black bars to maintain the aspect ratio.
    • Not quite sure what you mean. Rotating a monitor to portrait is a good option. Normally I have one monitor to landscape with my second monitor to portrait. Somethings are better viewed in portrait such as documents and webpages. In fact, some webpages are designed or work better in a portrait orientation. Less scrolling around. I have seen people shoot video in portrait because it just made sense for what they were trying to capture. They then publish it sideways.

      If I intentionally shoot a video in portrait, then NERO or any other video editing program should not be adding the boxes on either side unless I want them there.

      If you select a clip and go to Video Effects, you have some controls available to you to manipulate the video: Anchor Point, Position, Scale, Rotation, and Opacity. These are very powerful tools that I haven't even begun to play with yet. I tried using the Scale and Rotate to solve the portrait issue but the preview window is fixed as landscape. If the preview window was thought of as a canvas, a user could then rotate the canvas to portrait and continue editing in portrait.

      When it comes to programming, I don't know if adding the reverse feature would be harder than adding the orientation option, but I suspect it would be pretty tough to do. So far, I have not had any issues with the program crashing. NERO Video is pretty stable. For code to be written to add these two features and still have the program run without error after doing trials would be quite a lot to accomplish.
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  • The preview window isn't fixed as landscape, per se. If you're using video with a resolution greater than 720x, almost all video is in 16:9 which is landscape. You could select Options, Movie Options and set it to 4:3. It simply adds the black stripes to maintain the aspect ratio. The displayed video within the stripes should be in the correct orientation and aspect ratio.

    Other people have had problems with two monitors but I can't remember if the problems were the same as what you're experiencing. Nero has said those problems have been resolved in v2016.
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    • I agree with your last statement.

      However, Flower Meadow is only in landscape if you select anything other than TV Standard (4:3) in the Movie Options. In the later case, you can adjust the size of the screen so that Flower Meadow fills the entire screen.
    • Imagine recording a tulip with your video camera orientated to portrait. The entire plant is captured as close as possible without cutting anything off from the flower all the way down the stem to the earth. The video is imported to NERO Video and of course it is in landscape (the tulip is playing side ways). Once the video is edited it plays in landscape (but still sideways) with very little or no blank space on the top or bottom depending on how well the aspect ratio of the video matches the aspect ratio of the screen (full screen on a monitor in landscape). If the viewer of the player is reduced to a window that can move around the desktop, the player will perfectly match the aspect ratio of the video without any blank space at the top or bottom. The only time you will see blank space is when the viewing window is adjusted to an aspect ratio that does not match the video. If the shape of the viewing window is changed to portrait, then you will see blank space or the “black bars” on the top and bottom of the video while the video continues to play at the center in landscape. Adjusting the size and shape of the viewing window will only adjust the size of the video and the blank space accordingly. The video will not be cropped by the viewing edge of the player.

      Now imagine importing the video of the tulip into NERO Video and then rotating it 90°. The video will be much smaller to fit vertically into the fixed landscape orientation you have to work with. I can adjust the size of the video to fill up the entire canvas but now I do not see the whole flower. The intent was to see the entire flower.

      Going back to my first example, if I can edit in portrait, then the video should be exported in portrait and played in portrait. Play just as well as it does in landscape. No blank space on the sides if the aspect ratio matches that of a monitor orientated to portrait. None if I reduce the viewing window of the player unless I adjust the player edges to a size that does not match the video. Which in case I will get blank space on the left and right of the video.

      I appreciate your feedback. You are really trying to find a solution but again, NERO Video is just not capable of doing this.
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  • ad, I'm interested to know why you would want to shoot in portrait mode. TVs are all oriented in landscape mode. You probably have a very good reason, but I am simply curious.

    I agree with you regarding reverse play, it can be very useful at times.
    • Interesting question. Here is it how it sounds: “Why would you want to do something out of the norm? No one else shoots in portrait. Why not be like everyone else?”

      There is no limit on the imagination or creativity. The only boundaries come from the tools used to produce the art.

      As you have stated, TVs are in landscape. All media and entertainment industries record in landscape. A computer can change the desktop to fit a monitor orientated to portrait. Amateurs are free to experiment and record either in landscape or portrait.

      Think of it this way. Almost all cameras capture images on a rectangular format. If one is taking a picture of a landscape the camera is most likely orientated to landscape. Now what if someone wants to take a picture of a person from head to toe or a tall building? Most likely they will turn the camera to portrait to have the person fill up as much of the frame as possible. If a person’s photo is taken in landscape to capture them from head to toe then they would be further away. If the person is the subject you want them as close as possible without any other distractions in the scene. It is actually quite natural for a person to orientate a camera from landscape to portrait to capture the subject completely but the medium we watch these videos on tends to be landscape.

      The Mona Lisa is hanging in portrait. Black space is not on either side to make it fit in a landscape frame.

      The idea of shooting in portrait is happening but it is not wide spread and the video industry has not caught on because it is such a revolutionary concept. If you have seen a video that was shot in portrait with the black space on either side, then portrait was the intent. Cell videos are usually shot in portrait but they are published with landscaping sides showing a blurred image of the video playing in the middle as portrait. You may have seen monitors orientated to portrait at an airport. I use portrait on one of my monitors to view the web and read documents and I want to make videos specifically to be played on monitors orientated to portrait.

      This forum is here for people who want to be creative but are limited by the program. Not being able edit in portrait or reverse video clips is impeding my creativity.
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  • Thanks for your fulsome reply ad - appreciated. I have to confess that I do not edit my videos in Nero, but in Serif MoviePlus, so I am not sure what the limitations of the software are.

    If you take a picture of a tall building in portrait mode, can you not crop the picture to fill the entire screen, which will just show a portion of that picture and then simply use keyframes to pan down/up the picture as required?
    • I don’t follow your suggestion. It is all about intent. What does the camera person want to capture, how do they want to capture it, and how do they want it published and viewed. Your proposal is a work around due to the limitations of the software. I could shoot a tall building in landscape and then slowly pan up to get the whole building. No need to do that with the software. However, if I capture the building in portrait, there is no need to pan unless I am too close to capture the whole building in one shot. If I am recording in portrait, then the intent is to view in portrait. The key thing to remember is that the video is viewed best when most if not all the screen is filled with the video. There should be little to know dead space. A video shot in portrait viewed on a screen in landscape has a lot of dead space.

      Most LCD or LED TVs today have mounting brackets in the back. If I were to mount a TV on a wall, I would use a mounting bracket that would allow me to rotate the TV to portrait. I don’t think anyone has ever done or even thought of doing this. Imagine getting the full view of pictures or videos shot in portrait. Now I have a completely new viewing experience.

      Depending on how elaborate you want to be with a video will dictate what limitations you notice. I have other ideas to improve NERO but if NERO just wants to do cosmetic upgrades then I will take my ideas to the other company because it looks like the other company not only listened, but responded aggressively.
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  • ad, I started a thread on the Serif forum which I post on from time to time, and one of the contributors did manage to create a sample video in portrait mode, I was going to post it here to see if you can play it without the black bands either side, but I don't think this forum is capable of uploading this kind of file.

    If you go here http://www.webplus-support.co.uk/boar... you can download it from there. Good luck.
    • Did the video play in portrait on your player without the blank space? Since editors and players force a video into a landscape regardless of the recorded orientation, I wondered if a video edited in portrait would play without the blank sides on the variety of players out there or places like YouTube. The YouTube player is a fixed landscape and will add the blank space on either side for a portrait video. However, I have went full screen on these type of videos on a monitor orientated to portrait and the entire video does fill the screen. So it seems like, unlike a video camera, a cell phone “knows” how the video is to be orientated and this information is translated if uploaded to YouTube or imported to a video editor.

      I am a bit leery of downloading a strange file from an unfamiliar website. If you say the video plays in portrait on a viewer reduced to a window that can be moved around the desktop without the blank space then I will take your word for it. Serif sounds interesting if can edit in portrait but not interesting enough to look at since based on your comment it can’t reverse a clip. Thanks for looking into it.
    • But it CAN reverse a clip!!
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  • I can understand your reason for not downloading files that you are not familiar with ad, but it is a straightforward .mpg file and the video lasts for around 4 seconds. As I am not able to switch my monitor to vertical, I have no idea if it will play with the black bands around it, which is why I was hoping that you could try it out.
    • If you take your video player out of full screen to a window that can be moved around the desktop, it should automatically adjust to fit the aspect ratio of the video (unless you change the shape of the player window). So if the video plays in portrait without the blank space on either side then it works. If you adjust the video player window, and can't get rid of the blank sides, then the video was forced into landscape because the blank sides are part of the video.
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  • Tried that ad with both wmp and vlc with slightly different results. There is still a slither of a vertical banding on both, but fractionally less on wmp. Not sure what that proves?
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  • 63myvidsteve - It wasn't until this thread that I thought about how a phone knows the orientation a video was recorded in yet a video camera does not. Your pictures prompted me to do my own experiment.

    I recorded in a video in portrait on my phone and tested how the players would interpret it. On the left is Windows Media player that turned the video landscape. On the right is VLC that played the video in the correct orientation. Notice I can adjust the window of VLC to eliminate the blank space.
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  • Here I tried the same experiment using Win10 which is where my NERO 2016 is loaded.

    The left is NERO Media Home that is playing the video in landscape.

    In the middle is Movies & TV. A player that comes with Win10. Movies & TV is playing the video correctly with no blank space.

    The far right is Windows Media Player that must have been upgraded because it is playing the video in the correct orientation with no blank space.
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  • 63myvidsteve - Since Movies & TV on Windows 10 can play a raw cell video in the correct orientation (without adding blank space), next it was time to edit it with NERO Video. You can see in the picture how the video is playing in the correct orientation after I rotated it clockwise 90°. However, the gradient background is actually blank space that NERO adds to force the video to be landscape. I just added the gradient so you can see it better.

    Either this is a oversight by the NERO programmers or a flaw in the program itself because it adds information that was not there. So does Serif edit without adding blank space to force a portrait video to be landscape?

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  • I do not know the answer to your last question ad. You could ask the question over on the Serif forum, but because it's such an unusual thing to want to do, I'm guessing that nobody else would know.

    When you come to export your portrait video, you can customize the export template as per my screen shot, so in theory at least there ought to be no blank spaces when viewed with the monitor in portrait mode.

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  • 1
    480 x 640 portrait mode edit in Nero 2016 Video.











    The output file plays in portrait mode without side bars in QuickTime, Daum Potplayer, Windows Media Player, and FFMPEG Player.

    It plays with large side bars in Movies & TV (Windows 10).
    It plays with smaller side bars in Nero MediaHome.
    It plays with narrow side bars in VLC Player.

    Finally, it plays with large side bars on YouTube:




    General
    Complete name : C:\Users\Armand\Videos\480x640_MPEG-2.mp4
    Format : MPEG-4
    Format profile : Base Media
    Codec ID : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
    File size : 8.26 MiB
    Duration : 44s 0ms
    Overall bit rate : 1 574 Kbps
    Encoded date : UTC 2016-05-29 05:05:35
    Tagged date : UTC 2016-05-29 05:05:35
    Writing application : Lavf57.36.100

    Video
    ID : 1
    Format : AVC
    Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
    Format profile : Main@L4.1
    Format settings, CABAC : Yes
    Format settings, ReFrames : 2 frames
    Codec ID : avc1
    Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
    Duration : 44s 0ms
    Bit rate : 1 500 Kbps
    Width : 480 pixels
    Height : 640 pixels
    Display aspect ratio : 0.750
    Frame rate mode : Constant
    Frame rate : 30.000 fps
    Color space : YUV
    Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
    Bit depth : 8 bits
    Scan type : Progressive
    Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.163
    Stream size : 7.54 MiB (91%)
    Writing library : x264 core 148 r2643
    Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=2 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x1:0x131 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=0 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=0 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / lookahead_threads=2 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=0 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=0 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=300 / keyint_min=30 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=abr / mbtree=1 / bitrate=1500 / ratetol=1.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=10 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / vbv_maxrate=2400 / vbv_bufsize=24000 / nal_hrd=none / filler=0 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=3:1.00
    Encoded date : UTC 2016-05-29 05:05:35
    Tagged date : UTC 2016-05-29 05:05:35

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    ID : 2
    Format : AAC
    Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec
    Format profile : LC
    Codec ID : 40
    Duration : 43s 990ms
    Bit rate mode : Constant
    Bit rate : 128 Kbps
    Channel(s) : 2 channels
    Channel positions : Front: L R
    Sampling rate : 48.0 KHz
    Frame rate : 46.875 fps (1024 spf)
    Compression mode : Lossy
    Stream size : 686 KiB (8%)
    Language : English
    Default : Yes
    Alternate group : 1
    Encoded date : UTC 2016-05-29 05:05:35
    Tagged date : UTC 2016-05-29 05:05:35

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  • Omega Tester -

    I got all excited when I saw your post and of course was eager to try it. Here is what was done:

    1. I loaded a video that was intentionally shot in portrait by most likely a video camera. (As was said earlier in this thread, cell cameras appear to add orientation information to the recording that some players can read. NERO does not look at this information and always plays or imports in landscape.)
    2. The video imported in landscape and of course was 90° off. The video was rotated to portrait and scaled using “Fit to Screen” so no portion of the image was cut off. Still had the blank space on either side making it a landscape video.
    3. Went to advanced settings to change to a custom resolution and then readjusted the video to fit perfectly on to the “canvas” without any blank space. This is where I got excited because I thought all along NERO Video was unable to adjust the canvas to fit the orientation of the video.
    4. Just when I was about to put my foot in my mouth I got stuck at the Export section. You can adjust the size on Advanced Settings but don’t have that same luxury with Configure in the Export window. Between the Aspect Ratio and size on the Configure window, your only choice some sort of landscape orientation that adds the blank space. So even though you can edit in portrait, NERO Video will STILL export in landscape.



    Not sure if you were aware of the Configure window and the limitations in regards to using a second program to remove the blank space. I currently have to use iMovie on an Apple to reverse clips. This can be a pain if you are doing detailed editing that goes down to the frame.

    Shortsightedness may be the word, I don’t know, but appears between video camera manufactures (and software companies that make video editors), they all think that everyone wants to record and export in landscape.

    Great effort though Omega Tester. You found a work around. However, I am looking for program that has all the features in one rather than using two or three different products.
    • ad,

      The procedure specified exporting in MPEG-2 format, not MPEG-4. Exporting WMV format also works. Exporting MPEG-1 seems to work, but results in an incorrect aspect ratio for some reason:



      Although the procedure does require two encodings, one by Nero and another by XMedia Recode, it requires no additional expenditure: free XMedia Recode.

      So, portrait editing can be done in Nero and the correct output is apparently produced but mischaracterized in the metadata in that an aspect ratio of 4:3 is recorded instead of 3:4. That is corrected by the XMedia steps.
    • Addendum,

      The MPEG-1 output can be corrected in XMedia Recode by correcting the aspect ratio. The MediaInfo for both the MPEG-1 and MPEG-2 Nero output videos show a resolution of 480x640, but have different and incorrect aspect ratios:

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